Interesting comments in support of breeder are actually a challenge to puppy-mill practices

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The case where a group of Old English Sheepdog (edit – Bulldog) puppies were taken from a home-breeder in Waukegan, Ill. has drawn a lot of national attention. It seems the breeder was violating a local ordinance, but now the rescue group holding the puppies and city staffers (including the police) have received threats of violence.

On Chicago Now’s “Raining Cats and Dogs” blog, the comments are all over the map. So I jumped in this week in the comment section to offer my take.

The following sums up some of my input:

Comments concerning puppies actually support bans on selling puppies before they are ready to leave their mothers.

It is interesting to read the comments from those who support the breeder in the story, where concern is expressed for separating puppies from moms at too young an age.
But if anyone introduced legislation to ban the sale of puppies before the age of 10 to 12 weeks or so, the AKC and other breeder organizations would scream and lobby heavily against it.

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Rescue groups and shelters often have no choice. They either take in puppies dropped off at shelters at a very young age or take in puppies from a rescue case.

But it is time to ban the sale of puppies before they are ready to leave their moms, where they learn important social skills and gather other benefits. And the breeders should not be allowed to separate them from the moms.

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Actually, there are behavioral concerns. Puppies learn social skills from their moms and litter mates.
All dogs are actually wolf-hybrids and in the wild, wolf puppies stay with their moms much longer – of course.

And as far as breeding goes overall, there are real concerns out in the real world. I regularly note that there are good breeders, but far too many are not at all concerned with breeding with concern for long-term health.

I’ve heard too many stories of young dogs getting cancer. I’ve had too many people tell me about their purchased dogs that ended up with serious knee deformities or cancers or hip problems or behavior problems.

We have been talking to one person of late who purchased a pair of puppies just four years ago. One had both knees operated on and the other had liver problems and is now dead due to an oral cancer.
One family we know adopted four ex-racing greyhounds and all four died young from osteosarcoma.

We need far better regulations on breeders, so that only the quality breeders are operating. Who wants a bunch of substandard breeders – not only harming dogs but giving good breeders a bad name?
Who could support a system like that. which is what we have now?

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Clearly, there are good and bad breeders. We all know that. I have no problems with the breeders are researching and working with concern for quality breeding. These breeders are not the problem.

I’ve clearly stated that we need to weed out the bad breeders (puppy mills, etc) so that only the quality breeders remain.
That is clearly a logical position that everyone should support. Who would support bad breeding?

The issue has been the breeders who fail to engage in research and continue to breed dogs with health issues.
We also know there is a problem with purebred dogs because of the rise in specific breed rescue groups. People tend to too often site numbers from municipal shelters without taking into account the purebred dogs up for adoption in rescue groups.

Yes, irresponsible pet guardians are a problem, along with irresponsible breeders. We should address both. I often do.
Last year, I spoke at a meeting for a local shelter and told the attendees that while they debating over the particular issues of care within the shelter (very important) I was watching dogs and cats coming in the door.

We must debate these topics knowing it is a complex issue. We can’t let bad breeders off the hook because bad people are taking in pets.
I don’t want to see people dumping their pets or not caring for them and I don’t want to see bad breeders continue to operate.

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Good breeders already comply with the provisions in every proposed anti-puppy mill bill I’ve read. But we continue to see opposition to shutting down the bad breeders.
And yes, I have visited breeding operations where the dogs were housed properly and had access to play yards and clean food and water.

Again, why would anyone want bed breeders to continue to operate?

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In my home state, breed rescues have seen huge growth over the last 15 years. We’ve always had bad pet guardians. But in the last 15 years, the homeless problem has gotten worse, with even purebred dogs.

(One commenter took the typical route of those opposed to breeding regulations, by suggesting there are no definitions to the phrase – puppy mill. I had one ready for them.) –

A puppy mill is any breeding operation that —
A) Houses dogs in dirty cages too small for them to freely move about – and does not contain clean bedding.
B) Does not allow the dogs daily time for exercise in a safe, outdoor play area.
C) Denies the dogs regular veterinary care.
D) Does not offer the dogs proper food and water.
E) Separates the puppies from their mothers at too young an age.

These are the typical provisions contained in proposed anti-puppy mill bills and laws. Want a definition of a puppy mill? It’s any breeder who does not comply with the above.

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We have too often seen even inspected operations finally exposed as puppy mills, because the current regulations are far too weak.
Let’s weed out the bad breeders and puppy mills and leave breeding to quality breeders. Who could oppose that?

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Obviously, the puppy mills are not being inspected – as for one thing there are too few inspectors.
We’ve also seen where inspectors allowed horrible conditions to go on – through multiple inspections.

Only recently has legislation been proposed to cover all breeders, those who sell to commercial operations and over the internet.

We need to make sure the dogs get regular play time and clean housing and clean food and water. Sadly, too often this is not happening.

The USDA license is too often – sadly – not worth the paper it’s printed on and it will be until the regulations are improved.

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38 thoughts on “Interesting comments in support of breeder are actually a challenge to puppy-mill practices

  1. The APHIS federal regulations really don’t do anything to eliminate “puppy mills” – in reality, they validate them while bringing hardship on hobby breeders, who often have multiple retired dogs remaining with them until the end of their lives. To base rules/legislation strictly on a number (in this case, 4 “breeding” bitches) without taking into consideration so many other factors, is irresponsible.

    BTW – the Waukegan puppies are not “sheepdogs” – they are Bulldogs.

  2. Good grief!!! Hire yourself a FACT CHECKER before posting your dribble!! You do not even have the BREED correct!! If you are unable to do that, how factual is the rest of your “story”!!!

  3. There are several factual errors in this author’s telling of the story. First, the pups are English Bulldogs. Second, at 6 weeks of age the pups weren’t actually being released to their new homes, and they should never have been separated from their dam at that age. The removal of the pups from the breeder’s premises was done by Animal Control/Police. Had they been truly concerned for the welfare of the pups, they would have left them with the dam and issued the breeder a citation for failure to obtain a permit to breed/sell pups. As to your comments on the increased incidence of cancer, orthopedic, and temperament problems, these are all issues that have been shown to be attributable to the increasingly prevalent practice of early spay/neuter, before the animals have reached full growth. Some serious fact checking prior to posting your article would have presented a more factual picture of this very sad situation.

  4. There are some studies out there on early spay/neuter, but genetics is a key factor.

    But again, I’m saying lets leave breeding to quality breeders.

  5. Look, for example, at the case of racing greyhounds. These dogs are not spayed or neutered until their racing careers are over – often in the range of 3 to 5 years of age.

    (Of course, many never make it out alive.)

    Yet, university studies have shown racing greyhounds have the highest rate of osteosarcoma of any breed of dog.

  6. 10 Things You Didn’t Know About Puppy Mills

    1) In our modern day of instant access to information it is almost impossible for anyone to raise dogs without being under scrutiny. Those horrendous photos you see in commercials for the “Humane Society” are mostly outdated or a 1 in one million exception to the care given animals by breeders everywhere. The photos are intended to shock and horrify you into giving money. Any photo can be photo shopped into looking really bad. Be skeptical. If you didn’t see it with your own eyes take it with a grain of salt. “Believe nothing that you hear, read or see, trust what you see with your own eyes and uncover with your own skills and believe in your own heart.” Jon Katz
    2) All the hobby breeders in this country cannot produce enough puppies to meet the demands of the American market. Recent changes in laws are NOT stopping substandard kennels from continuing. It is closing down reputable breeders who work very hard to produce healthy purebred puppies by making it more difficult and expensive for them to continue in their HOBBY.
    3) BREEDERS are NOT responsible for the presence of dogs in shelters. “Producing” dogs due to failure to be a responsible owner and “breeding” dogs are not the same. We have a problem with a lack of responsible ownership, poor shelter management and poor pet distribution. Education is the key to improvement in this area.
    4) It has been PROVEN there is NO PET OVERPOPULATION. Since 2005 the birthrate for puppies has not been meeting the demand. Many rare breeds are declining to the point of extinction due to anti-breeder laws. According to the USDA more than 300,000 dogs were imported in 2013 from foreign countries by SHELTERS. If the current rate of laws and decline continue within 20 years your only source for a puppy may be a shelter “mutt” from Mexico, China or Puerto Rico with possible behavioral issues and NO health testing. http://www.shelterproject.naiaonline.org
    5) There is no such thing as a “puppy mill”. “Puppy mill” is not a legally defined term, it is slang invented by the “animal rights” extremists to denigrate any and all breeders — small or large, standard or substandard. It’s the “N-word” of breeders. The phrase “puppy mill” has been promoted in the media by the animal “rights” movement, people who want to end all animal ownership. It is applied indiscriminately by these fanatics to anyone who breeds dogs.
    6) There are three main types of breeders: Commercial, Pet and Hobby/show breeders. Every one of these can be a large-scale breeder, every one of these could be a substandard breeder. Commercial kennels are subject to state and/or federal oversight. Substandard care can be found with all types of breeders. It is about the standard of care, NOT the numbers. Most commercial breeders have state of the art kennels that meet USDA standards and the standards of their state laws. They are inspected at least yearly and must meet or exceed stringent standards far higher than those expected of the average hobby breeder.
    7) “Sick” puppies do not sell. It is counterproductive for any industry to produce a defective product and expect to stay in business. Any dog can have health issues. It’s about Mother Nature NOT lack of care or numbers.
    8) Passing laws intended to outlaw “puppy mills” will not solve any problem. Most substandard breeders are already in violation of existing laws and don’t care. New, stricter laws will only affect those who are already working to follow the laws. The only way to have any effect is to provide the funds and manpower to enforce the laws that are already on the books.
    9) A shelter dog is NOT for every family. Shelter dogs come with baggage that can require an EXPERIENCED owner. Shelter dogs have NO health testing and frequently have behavioral issues that take years of training to overcome. Obtaining a dog should be a time for rational decision making–not an excuse for moral preening. If ‘adopting’ a shelter dog makes you feel ‘better about yourself’, you don’t need a dog. You need a therapist.
    10) You are more likely to purchase a dog with health or behavioral issues from a shelter than a pet store.

    For more information:
    http://www.naiaonline.org
    http://www.humanewatch.org
    http://www.nathanwinograd.com
    http://www.saova.org
    http://www.cfodconline.org/
    http://www.exposeanimalrights.com/

  7. Not sure where you got the stats on cancer rates within breeds, but Greyhounds do not even make the top 10 of breeds most likely to be prone to cancer. I guess the same type of “reporting” as the entire article above.

  8. Okay. Let’s weed out the puppy mills so that ONLY good breeders remain. I worthwhile cause. But what EXACTLY does a puppy mill have to do with the owner of the Bulldogs? Are you sitting on proof that you are afraid to share with the rest of us? Why are you afraid to share? Spill it, man. Then you coiuld actually claim that you have written a factual article.

  9. Not going to debate your definition of a “puppy mill” but by your definition this person is not one. He has ONE breeding bitch and has had two (2) litters in the past 2 years. She is a house dog and is not in a cage, dirty or otherwise. She gets outside play time. The dogs (mom and pups) have proper food and water and had visited the vet for a health check the day before. They were not being separated from their mother. Homes were being sought and the future owners were paying a deposit and going to pick the puppies up when it was time for them to be weaned. This man is not a “puppy mill” and his “crime” was lack of a $25 breeder permit. This is kind of like you getting a speeding ticket or a ticket for a busted tail light and being arrested on the spot and having your car seized and sold with no recourse and no day in court. That’s not the way things are supposed to work in America. I hope this man gets his dogs back and the police officer loses her job.

  10. Dr. Couto of Ohio State has stated osteosarcoma is most common in racing greyhounds and I’ve read information where he has been quoted as saying 60 percent of greyhounds will develop this form of cancer.

    Just going back to my misstep on the dog breed in the story doesn’t change the facts and doesn’t excuse poor breeding practices by substandard breeders and doesn’t change the horrible life puppy mill dogs are suffering through.

  11. I was commenting on the comments made under the linked blog post, including those rightfully suggesting puppies should remain with their mothers for longer periods of time.

    I did not claim the individual in the story was a puppy mill operator. The discussion under the story moved into breeding practices in general.

  12. One intact female and 2 litters does not make a “puppy mill” under any understanding of what a “puppy-mill” might be. . So get over that accusation.
    It has been estimated that cancer is the cause of death in 40%-45% of all dogs,
    greyhounds being no exception. Large breeds of dog, including greyhounds, tend to be predisposed to developing bone cancer, but only within the past 25+ years that s/n has become common.

  13. Where did I accuse this person of being a puppy mill operator???

    Racing greyhounds are not spayed or neutered until later in life, after being adopted out. Genetics clearly play a role in cancer rates.

  14. I also suggest you read what others have stated, pay closer attention what they have to say. Open your MIND to more possibilities.

  15. And we didn’t even get into where genetics plays a role in physical abnormalities. From hips to knees and more, we’re seeing a real problem.

  16. I have to remind myself that this is only a blog based on one persons opinion. It is not a researched document for any credible news outlet or government organization.

    Dearie, bless your heart. You are trying so hard. Maybe one day you will advance beyond opinion pieces and develop your skills into factual, documented and credible abilities. But until that transformation happens, please continue your attempts at whatever it is you do. I’m sure it brings you much joy and even while others understand the difference between facts and opinions, your joy is of paramount importance to you.

  17. Thankfully, I have the facts, science, reality and compassion for animals on my side. And thankfully, facts and science carry far more weight than wishful thinking.

    Stay tuned. This discussion has been a springboard for a long-planned project to report on the latest research into canine cancer and the impact of genetics on physical abnormalities.

    I’ve got a good bit of information amassed already.

  18. It would help immensely helpful if you actually took some courses in genetics, so you could have an understanding of how it works, maybe even get a degree in Animal Science. 🙂 Some of us have and do have degrees.
    You could even give it a start here:
    http://www.instituteofcaninebiology.org/

  19. Those with degrees in genetics and animal sciences should know there are some horrible breeding practices going on. Again, so that you will understand (since you seemed to have missed some things before) I am not saying all breeders are bad. There are quality breeders.

    But even some big time dog show kennel clubs are saying they need to change practices in a big way. They know damage is being done to dogs. Just look at Cavalier King Charles, some German Shepherds and other breeds with severe physical abnormalities being bred into them.

    These are facts we’re dealing with. Clearly, some really bad breeding is going on. I hope you don’t support this. I like to deal with facts and science.

  20. Oh PLEASE stop drinking the Kool-Aide and get an education!! Research, research, research….other than parroting all this Animal Rights Activist propaganda! Do you even know who FUNDS the research into animal genetic testing to help eliminate a anomaly? BREEDERS! Who studies population genetics? BREEDERS!

    Yes, there are some people who should never breed, heck there are people who should not even OWN a dog! But there are plenty of laws already on the books that could prevent these IF they were enforced! Go tell your buddies in the ARA to open their pocket-books full of donations from unsuspecting people who think they are helping animals and fund enforcement, not out lobbying for new laws.

  21. Did you read the information in the link? And it is veterinary research hospitals and scientists who do the work on genetics and canine health.

    Science and scientific research are about coming to factual conclusions based on the full range of evidence – not tunnel-vision research to support some sort of preconceived notion.
    Again, I am opposed to the bad breeding practices – not the good. Who could possibly support bad breeding practices?

    The key question for you is – How do think I’m wrong for speaking out against bad breeding practices?

  22. You have never been involved in breeding, showing or National Breed Clubs have you? Yes, of course scientists have to do the work, but without the breeders to support their efforts, donate money, dogs, pedigrees and DNA they would not be able to do their research!! DUH!! This not only benefits dogs, but humans alike.

    Dr. Wenger from Department of Neurology, Jefferson Medical College in Philadelphia, PA was doing research to help cure children born with Globoid Cell Leukodystrophy (GCL), aka Krabbe’s disease. This is ALWAYS a very painful disease that ends in death. In his research on the disease in other species, he discovered it had been diagnosed in West Highland White Terriers and Cairn Terriers. He asked for support from both National Breed Clubs, that members with dogs from certain pedigree lines known to have produced this disease in the past. All of us started sending him DNA samples along with pedigrees. The mutation for this disease is exactly the same, at the same allele as in humans. He now holds hope to be able to cure this disease in human children! There has been gene therapy for blindness in humans as well, that all came from BREEDERS of pedigreed dogs.

    The Cairn Terrier Club of America was the FIRST National Breed Club to start having breed health surveys. From this study came the book “Genetic Anomalies of the Cairn Terrier” – published in September 1994 and winner of the Dog Writers Association of America Maxwell Medallion in February 1995.

    All of this was long BEFORE the crazy Animal Rights Activists ever became involved!! Long before the Animal Rights back BBC ever looked into purebred dogs.

  23. The key question for you is – How do you think I’m wrong for speaking out against bad breeding practices?

  24. #1, you ATTACKED a family for breeding a litter of Olde English Bulldogges (and calling them Old English Sheepdogs. You do not seem to understand anything about why this breed was created. There was never a need to arrest this man in front of his children on Christmas Eve and take 6 week old puppies away from their mother. This would be the same thing as you having a taillight out, the police arresting you and confiscating your car. No, not the same thing, this was worse!

    You repeated lies told by the “rescue” group who helped to set-up this “sting” operation. The owner of the illegal rescue (they did not apply for for tax exempt status until this happened!!) is a very good friend of Sgt. Kelly who arrested this man! The “threats” they received where not about bodily harm, but people telling them they were scum for what they did to this family!

    You CANNOT legislate morals! All you do is end up hurting the very people who are doing their best for their chosen breeds.

  25. I never attacked the breeder. Where are you coming up with that? I merely restated the information from the article – that the puppies were taken from the breeder and it was reported as a violation of a local ordinance.

    How is that attacking the person? The other people commenting in support of the breeder are saying the same thing.
    My post concerned the comments about breeding practices in general – not the breeder in the story. I never directed my take on breeding practices to the breeder in the story. How in the world are you making that stretch?

  26. EXPAND your world! Investigate instead of being an AR Parrot. You are NOT helping animals, you are helping to end pet ownership. Look at the BIG picture instead of an agenda.

  27. I do see you have been back-peddling since you first posted this!! You havve made several edits…….. Hmmmmmm, maybe some of us are getting through to you?

    Have you even bothered to READ the new USDA/APHIS/AWA regulations that took effect in November 2014? You are aware that it is the USDA that has ALWAYS been in control of kennel inspections for commercial breeders. If they have not been able to do a proper job with the regulations that have been in place for years, what make you think writing new regulations with make any improvements? Do you know every pet ownership law in your own city, county and state? I bet not.

  28. The Last Dog on Earth

    They were at the door. Her little dog was growling softly. She tried to hush the sound. She knew what they wanted. She felt as though her heart was being ripped from her chest. She had managed to hide her little friend for years.

    She shared her food and bed with her. She had bought her on the black market. It had cost her dearly but it was worth it.

    She had been so alone. Nothing to love her or for her to love in return. Her children had grown up and forgotten her. Her husband had died two years before she found Sweetie. Sweetie had been a tiny black and tan ball of fur showing her Yorkshire Terrier background. Of course, she knew that Sweetie could not have been purebred. There had been no purebred dogs for years. There were few dogs since the breeders had been slowly and methodically beaten down.

    When this first started, everyone sat back and said they could not possibly be the breeders they were talking about. After all, they loved their dogs and they were not “puppy mills”. They would never let themselves be overloaded with dogs. Some of them did not get overloaded nor did they breed more than a litter or two a year. They were smug and secure in that only the puppy mills were being raided.

    The raids were relentless. They would take place in one state then another. The dog raiders got smarter with every raid. They learned about warrants, the court system, the law in different states and they used whatever means they could to eliminate the breeders of dogs. Some people thought the raiders were dog lovers trying to save the poor mistreated puppies.

    HSUS is NOT law enforcement, contraryto what they would have you believe. Some of them were dog lovers, at first. The well-meaning rescue groups were used. The American Kennel Club was used. They would revoke the rights of the breeder who was raided. Kennel clubs were infiltrated and destroyed from within. The very fiber of the dog world was silently unraveled one string at a time.

    Everyone would rise to arms against every breeder raided. Saying things like that terrible person mistreated those poor dogs; that person had too many dogs; and that person is crazy. If the truth were not provoking enough they would lie and say that person should die. They campaigned by e-mail, petitioned the courts, and used political pull. Even when common sense would tell them that they did not know the facts or circumstances, they persist.

    They would see fat happy tail wagging dogs and would say abused dogs. They no longer believed their own eyes. The dogs tried to tell the truth but no one could hear them. True, there were cases of abuse, beaten, starved, and sick animals, at first. Then the tide shifted. Good honest dog loving people started to being raided. Any reason was used. Dogs were taken and the owners refused rights to reclaim their dogs. The raiders started to narrow the number of dogs which were in violation. Any person with a dog became a target. Dog grooming became a thing of the past.

    SWAT raid on dog breeder Veterinarian services were performed out of back rooms under the dark of night until there were no veterinarians. Dog shows had long disappeared along with the American Kennel Club. Children were told tales of the days when every boy had a dog to run with through fields.

    The stories of ” Old Shep”,” O’Yeller”, “Call of the Wild”,” Lassie” and all those wonderful stories which would bring tears to the eyes of grown men were being forgotten except by a few.

    But she remembered as a little girl the small dog who loved her, followed her everywhere, and gave her comfort like no one on earth could give. She just had to find her that special warmth, the grateful lick-kiss, something that loved her unconditionally and a reason for getting up in the morning. She found Sweetie.

    Now they were at her door to take the life that she cherished. The warm little black and tan 3- pound body that loved her as much as she loved it. And there was no one to stop them. The old lady with the last dog on earth lay down with her face to the wall.

  29. PET BUYERS: HOW THE REVISED APHIS RULE AFFECTS YOU!

    BACKGROUND: Previously, breeders who sold pets directly to the public were exempt from USDA licensing because they were considered “Retail Pet Stores”. On November 18, 2013, the revised Rule went into effect so that it is now much trickier for breeders to be exempt, and it is unclear how they can remain so. The Rule, as written, is so complicated and difficult to understand that it creates more questions than answers. When questioned, USDA/APHIS has often given extremely vague and conflicting answers. Only one thing is clear and that is that HSUS is behind this rule change. USDA/APHIS has claimed that it will be flexible with implementing it with home breeders who they deem need to be licensed, but you can be sure that, if they are, HSUS will soon be filing complaints because of it.

    Q: THIS APPLIES ONLY TO DOGS AND CATS, DOESN’T IT?

    A: No, it applies to any animal that the USDA considers a pet including dogs, cats, ferrets, rabbits, “pocket pets” (mice, gerbils, hamsters, etc.). Not birds and reptiles…yet.

    Q: WHY WOULDN’T BREEDERS JUST BECOME USDA LICENSED?

    A: There are many reasons why a breeder wouldn’t want to become licensed. The costs are not only for the actual license itself, but facility costs to conform to the USDA requirements can be substantial, depending on what a breeder needs to change. Most hobby breeders keep their dogs in their homes. Every place in the home that dogs have access to, and every place equipment for them is stored, will be inspected for sanitation and hazards. A designated “dog room” or nursery will have to meet the engineering standards required of separate commercial kennel buildings. Remodeling may be impossible for some due to zoning. Breeders who work outside the home must be able to return within ½ hour for unannounced inspections. If ANY USDA requirements are not met, citations will be issued which can cost thousands of dollars.

    Q: WHY DON’T BREEDERS JUST REFUSE TO LET USDA/APHIS INSPECTORS INTO THEIR HOUSE?

    A: That is like refusing to allow the IRS to look at your books. You either let them audit you, pay the fine or risk going to jail. It’s the same story with the USDA.. Investigation of breeders suspected of needing to be licensed will be “complaint driven” (complaints from animal rights radicals or someone who doesn’t like the breeder), or based on data collected from public online sources (breeder websites, club websites, dog show catalogs, facebook pages, etc.). Anonymous complaints about breeders who are licensed will be investigated even if the breeder just passed an inspection. Breeders can no longer assume that they can “fly under the radar”.

    Q: HOW WILL THIS AFFECT THE AVAILABILITY OF PUREBRED PETS? A: It is uncertain right now but there will most likely be many breeders that just opt out…this is a “hobby” after all! There are also breeders who will try to become licensed but find that they cannot meet the USDA requirements, receive costly citations and stop breeding. This all leads to the decrease in purebred pet availability and the increase in prices. It will also affect the quality of pets available. As breeders close down, the gene pool decreases which will affect the health of pets produced. Breeders won’t have the “luxury” of choosing a sire for his outstanding temperament, health, conformation or pedigree because there will be so few to choose from. Importing and using frozen semen is costly and very unreliable even when the breeding is done by a reproductive specialist. Many breeds that are rare, difficult to breed or are near extinction now may no longer be available in the US. Take a look at the AKC website (akc.org) list of breeds now recognized in the US. How many of these breeds have you ever seen in real life? The breeds you rarely if ever see on the street are the ones that are in jeopardy.

    Even though the Rule says that dogs sold for breeding purposes are exempt, not all dogs are sold with breeding rights (i.e. as Show Dogs)…even in rare breeds. The reasons for this can be as simple as the puppy doesn’t like the show ring, its coat is too soft or too hard or too curly or too straight…and heretofore YOU have been the lucky recipient of an excellently bred dog as a pet! This Rule change will put conscientious breeders at risk for selling any of their puppies as “pets”! Most breeders cannot keep all of the puppies they breed for themselves. They will run the risk of having too many dogs to conform to city limitations, space and responsible care constraints, economics, a whole slew of reasons. If a breeder cannot ship a puppy, the buyer will have to pick it up – most breeders can’t sell puppies

    Q: WILL MY BREEDER BE ABLE TO SHIP A PET TO ME? I’ve bought my pets from the same breeder through the years, I trust them completely and now when I want to buy another I just call themand they ship it to me.

    A: This depends upon how many females your breeder has and whether they are licensed by the USDA. A licensed breeder will be able to ship a pet to you. Unlicensed breeders will no longer be able to do so if they have five or more females that could be bred. In order for these breeders to be exempt from licensing, all transactions must be made face-to-face. This will limit your selection to local breeders unless you can afford to travel to a distant breeder’s location.

    Q: THIS WON’T AFFECT PUREBRED RESCUE, WILL IT?

    A: YES! Many purebred rescue organizations will be viewed as “dealers” by the USDA and will need to be licensed as such. There is a lot of conflicting information about this. There are concerns about fostering and resale and how rescued pets are transported to new homes. A licensed breeder will be able to ship a pet to you. Unlicensed breeders will no longer be able to do so if they have five or more females that could be bred. In order for these breeders to be exempt from licensing, all transactions must be made face-to-face. This will limit your selection to local breeders unless you can afford to travel to a distant breeder’s location.

    Q: DIDN’T ANYONE FIGHT THIS BEFORE IT BECAME LAW?

    A: Of course we did! Thousands and thousands of pet lovers, breeders and organizations wrote public comments to the USDA and to Congress. The AKC wrote a petition and sent its’ own comments. Many other clubs and organizations did so also. But HSUS members flooded them with comments like “This will help stop PUPPY MILLS!” and all of the rational comments were ignored. It’s not just a new rule,it’s the world’s largest anti-pet breeding dragnet and campaign!

    Q: IS ANYONE FIGHTING IT NOW?

    A: Yes! Nearly 20,000 pet breeders have joined together to fight this but we need YOUR help! If you want to have the freedom to choose where you get your next pet, go here: http://www.keepourdomesticanimals.com

    http://www.keepourdomesticanimals.com/uploads/7/1/2/0/7120935/pet_buyer_faq.pdf

  30. Any pet breeder caring for the animals properly will have nothing to fear. The provisions are minimum guidelines that we want everyone with a pet to follow.
    Those who can’t meet these minimum guidelines should not be breeding dogs or cats.
    In some cases, as in the recent bill in North Carolina, the AKC guidelines were used and the AKC still opposed the bill.
    Again – Why would anyone want to support bad breeding practices?

    The regulations are clearly designed to weed out bad breeders. I’ve visited quality breeding facilities that exceed the minimum standards of all current regulations. And those breeders were doing just fine.

    As for your previous comments: You can’t claim I’m saying or doing things with no evidence or quotes to support your position. Wishful thinking won’t work.
    I’ve given you some important facts and reasonable positions at every turn here. I’ve never backtracked at all.

    Once again, why do you think I’m wrong for being against poor breeding practices and supporting quality breeding practices? You have not been able to answer that question because my position is so extremely logical and so extremely powerful and so extremely science-based.

    I’m not attacking anyone’s credibility, other than those who abuse and neglect animals. How is that wrong?
    Logic is powerful – isn’t it?

  31. You DID attack someone for not obtaining a $25 licence (which BTW, is incorporated with renewing a car license, who would ever think of checking there?) As I have repeatedly tried to INFORM you, yes, even the most above board breeders and pet prospective pet owners, need to be very cautious when dealing with the zealots, like you, who only see wrong doing.

    Really widen your horizons, do some FACT checking, stop being an AR parrot. Sure it makes you very popular with others who have been brainwashed…but how about some TRUTH in reporting the facts!

  32. Unless you can quote directly where I attacked the breeder for not obtaining the license, you have no credibility there. I only reported what was in the article, concerning the ordinance.
    The people fully supporting the breeder in comments also noted the reporting about the ordinance. My comments about breeding have been directed to breeding in general – not the breeder in the story.

    The name-calling and false accusations will get you nowhere here. It is only a way to avoid the facts.
    Why would anyone consider it wrong to speak out against bad breeding practices? You still haven’t answered that question.

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